Schedule Changes, Effective June 3rd (UPDATED!)

On the first Monday in June, we will substantially expand our schedule. Our goal is to decrease the athlete-to-coach ratio throughout the day. We will be instituting a hard cap of 18 on the number of people in any class having one instructor.

We will schedule two instructors for those few peak-hours WOD’s when we may allow up to 24 athletes in a WOD. During June, only eight WOD’s per week will have a limit of over 18: Mon, Tues, Wed, and Thurs at 5:40 PM and 6:40 PM. These eight WOD’s will all have two instructors, and thus a maximum of 12 athletes per coach. Every other WOD will be held to a maximum of 18 people.

One of the problems with implementing a maximum class size is people who register and then cancel at the last minute (or not at all). We will decrease the window for advanced registration from 7 days to 5 days, and we will require people to cancel at least 90 minutes in advance, so that people on the waitlist have time to respond when an opening becomes available.

Wednesday Indoor CFE WOD’s (location Change)

All Wednesday Indoor CFE WOD’s will move to the Fourth Floor at 26 Street (because we will now have regular WOD’s going on in all quadrants at 28 Street)

Weekday Morning Schedule

We will now have weekday AM WOD’s at 28th Street every 20 minutes from 5:40 AM to 9:00 AM. The current 5:50 AM and 6:50 AM All Levels WOD’s on Mon, Tues, Thurs and Fri will move 10 minutes earlier to 5:40 AM and 6:40 AM and will be offered Mon through Fri (we’re adding these WOD’s on Wednesday); they will be taught by the same instructors (Sofia G on Mon, Wed, and Fri, and Michael on Tues and Thurs). These instructors will also teach new 7:40 All Levels WOD’s from Mon through Fri. Kyle will teach new 8:40 AM All Levels WOD’s from Mon through Fri.

The Beginner WOD’s at 6:30 AM, 7:30 AM and 8:30 AM will move 10 minutes earlier and will be taught by the Kasey on Mon, Wed, and Fri, and by Courtney on Tues and Thurs. The Beginner WOD’s on the hour from 6:00 AM through 10:00 AM will be unchanged, and will continue to be taught by the same instructors, with the exception of 9:00 AM on Wednesday, when Courtney will coach.

We will eliminate the 7:45 AM Black Box WOD’s at 26 Street. (Best fit will be the new 7:40 AM All Levels WOD at 28 Street). The 5:45 AM and 6:45 AM Black Box WOD’s at 26 Street will not change and will continue to be taught by Kyle.

We will eliminate the CFE WOD’s on Mon, Wed, and Fri at 9:00 AM.

Weekday Midday Schedule

We will add an 11:00 AM WOD, taught by Heidi on Mon, Wed, and Fri, and by Courtney on Tues and Thurs.

All WOD’s from 12:00 PM to 3:00 PM will all be unchanged and will continue to be taught by the same instructors.

Weekday Evening Schedule

We will now have weekday PM WOD’s every 20 minutes at 28 Street, from 5:40 PM to 9:00 PM Mon through Thurs, and 4:20 PM to 7:40 PM on Friday.

Brian’s current HR: 15 WOD’s will all move five minutes later to 4:20 PM (Friday only), 5:20 PM, 6:20 PM, 7:20 PM, and 8:20 PM (except Friday).

The current 4:30 PM WOD from Mon through Fri will move to 4:40 PM, and will be taught by Avery on Mon, Tues, and Thurs; by Ben on Wed, and by Tom on Fri.

Joe’s current Mon through Thurs HR:30 WOD’s will all move 10 minutes later to 5:40 PM, 6:40 PM, 7:40 PM, and 8:40 PM

Tom’s current Friday HR:30 PM WOD’s will move 10 minutes later to 4:40 PM, 5:40 PM, 6:40 PM, and 7:40 PM

Kevin will teach a 5:00 PM All Levels WOD at 28 Street from Mon thru Fri. (This will replace Avery’s 5:00 PM All Levels WOD on Mon, Tues, and Thurs, and will add this timeslot on Wed and Fri).

Kevin’s PM Black Box WOD’s at 5:00 PM (Friday), 6:00 PM, 7:00 PM, and 8:00 PM (except Friday) will move from the Fourth Floor at 26 Street to 28 Street and will become All Levels WOD’s.

Kevin will teach a Friday 4:00 PM All Levels WOD on Friday.

Avery’s 6:00 PM Beginner WOD on Mon, Tues, and Thurs will move to the Fourth Floor at 26 Street. (These will now be the only three WOD’s other than Competition WOD’s and Wednesday Indoor CFE WOD’s that will be held on the Fourth Floor at 26 Street.)

All Mon, Tues, Thurs, and Fri PM Competition WOD’s will move to the Fourth Floor at 26 Street.

ADDENDUM to the weeknight evening info:

We will add Friday Evening CFE Outdoor WOD’s (that will meet at 28 Street) at 5:00 PM, 6:00 PM, and 7:00 PM.

We will eliminate the Tuesday and Thursday Evening Outdoor CFE WOD’s.

The Wednesday Night CFE WOD’s (that will meet on the Fourth Floor at 26 Street) will be at 5:30 PM, 6:30 PM, and 7:30 PM (instead of the current 7:00 PM and 8:00 PM)

Responses

  • Ali

    Are Sully’s :30 evening WODs sticking to the same time and location? Thanks!

    • Hari Singh

      Yes.

  • http://www.theblacklaser.net/ Joe The Wizard
  • http://www.facebook.com/simon.jelk Simon JElk

    Why cancel 7:45? 8:00 was recently cancelled, and now there are no black box morning WOD’s after 6:45.

    I understand the goal of creating more classes that are open to more people, but there is a difference between the way an all-level WOD is instructed, and the way the Black Box WODs are instructed.

    • http://twitter.com/msater michael saterman

      To me, this gives the impression that members who used to fit in the :45 and :00 Black Box classes, are now pushed into one :40 class. Not cool!

      Another black box class at 7:20 appears warranted.

      • Hari Singh

        In April, excluding CFE WOD’s, we were running 57 weekday WOD’s per week that began prior to 9:00 AM.

        In June, excluding CFE WOD’s, we will be running 68 weekday WOD’s per week that begin prior to 9:00 AM.

        Net, we will have 13 fewer weekday morning Black Box WOD’s, 20 more All Level WOD’s, and 4 more Competition WOD’s.

        Assuming we were to convert the 7:20 AM Beginner WOD to a Black Box WOD, we would then have a 7:00 AM Beginner WOD, a 7:00 AM Competition WOD, a 7:20 AM Black Box WOD, and a 7:40 AM All Levels WOD. Although this would be possible, it would not reflect the level of demand.

        With the proposed schedule, prior to 9:00 AM, we will have 6 Beginner WOD’s, 4 All Level WOD’s 2 Black Box WOD’s and 2 Competition WOD’s (except Wednesday, when we will have 3 indoor CFE WOD’s). This more closely reflects the demand from our members.

        • http://twitter.com/msater michael saterman

          Competition classes are not open to all so please don’t include them in your total class count.

          Management has deliberately pulled back the number of morning Black Box classes for experienced, but not elite members, forcing members to:
          a) fight over an extremely limited number of relevant classes
          b) attend a beginner or All Level class
          c) move to another Box

          • Hari Singh

            In June, we are canceling the 7:45 AM Black Box WOD. The record shows that you attended about 200 WOD’s over the last year, exactly one of which was a 7:45 AM Black Box WOD.

          • http://twitter.com/msater michael saterman

            Exactly. I was taking the 7:00 AM Black Box. And now the closest equivalent is 6:45 AM. 2 trains earlier.

        • http://www.facebook.com/simon.jelk Simon JElk

          Exactly–This is the problem. There are many ways to look at how many classes there were in the past and compare them to now, but the fact is this. There used to be 6 Black Box WODs in the AM, and now there are 2.

          Competition WODs are not a legitimate options to most people who formerly attended the morning black box classes because either (1) they are not qualified or (2) competition classes require attendance every day they are offered – something most are not willing to commit to.

          As Michael said, the experienced-but-not-elite members are being pushed aside, which is curious because I suspect a large portion of the membership fits into this category.

          • Hari Singh

            Before 9:00 AM, there used to be 6 Black Box WOD’s, 0 All Levels WOD’s, and 1 Competition WOD, 7 total.

            Now there are 2 Black Box WOD’s, 4 All Levels WOD’s, and 2 Competition WOD’s, 8 total.

            About 40 people have shifted from Black Box WOD’s to Competition WOD’s. The total number of Black Box plus All Levels WOD’s has remained constant at 6, and the number of Beginner WOD’s has grown from 4 to 6.

          • http://twitter.com/msater michael saterman

            I TRULY appreciate your focus on the terminology. I learn from every Coach and do my best to inspire my fellow students.

            My issue is simply timing. I used to take a 7am class about 4x week. Nick is a fantastic coach but, his classes are already full. Shifting to 20 minutes earlier is not all that easy.

            Here’s to an easy transition…

          • Hari Singh

            Understood. From a fairness perspective, it may make sense to enable people to preregister for classes based on some combination of seniority and/or attendance history. This would give people in your situation an earned edge in getting into the classes they have been attending for months or years..

            To make an imperfect analogy, you are a bit like a college senior who finds that the class you need is filled with freshmen who beat you to the registrar’s office. Looking at it from that perspective, I can understand your frustration.

            We are not sure what is possible with Zen, but we are studying the problem.

      • Matt C

        I don’t think you understand the work schedules of most of your members. I suspect that the average person gets to work around 9am. For someone looking for a black box / or all level WOD, 6:40am is too early and 7:40am is too late. This was why the old :00 Black Box WODs were so popular and why many have migrated to the :50 after their cancellation. It might not seem like much, but 10-20 minutes in the morning makes a BIG difference. Just my 2 cents.

        • http://www.facebook.com/oscar.jung Oscar Aabech Jung

          Exactly. Or only 640 work but them I’m at work at 8.00 – one hour too early

      • Jana B.

        Michael, shoot me an email (janalexis@hotmail.com)

    • Hari Singh

      You make a valid point. It was a tradeoff among several factors, including the desire to have WOD’s every 20 minutes at our primary location; the demand for the various types of WOD’s; timing of instructors’ other classes (e.g., enabling Kyle to teach an 8:40 AM at 28 Street); our need to transition out of 26 Street; and some of factors that will come into play when we open the Upper West Side.

      • http://www.facebook.com/simon.jelk Simon JElk

        I think it is great that CFNYC can say it holds classes every 20 minutes, and I respect that decision. I also understand the movement towards transitioning to 28th street (and I personally prefer that spot). But the schedule changes are being done at the expense of many members who consistently attended the 7:45 or 8:00 am classes. Why couldn’t Kyle’s new wod instead be at 8, at 28th street? The amount of classes taught stays the same, and a transition to 28th is accomplished. I know there is a beginners class at that time, but 28th is big enough for both.

        This is just a suggestion, and I obviously don’t know all of the factors that need to be considered. But it would be unfortunate if my suggestion-or some variant of it-is not being considered because it would take away from the “class every 20 minutes” goal.

        • Hari Singh

          We created a WOD at 8:00 AM at 28 Street several months ago. In theory, we assign Kyle teach that WOD, but it had already been assigned to Nick on Mon, Wed, and Fri, and to Heidi on Tues and Thurs.

          We have three quadrants at 28 Street. With WOD’s running 7:20 – 8:20, 7:40 – 8:40, and 8:00 – 9:00, there is no place to put an additional 8:00 AM WOD.

          • Rich

            Selfishly i quite like the new schedule as the 6am beginner class has become impossible to get into. That being said, maybe the compromise here is to run one less intro / elements class in the morning and use the smaller 4th quadrant to run a reduced size class either as an all level (opening a quadrant for another morning black box WOD) or as a black box (leaving the all level where it is)

          • Hari Singh

            That option is under consideration. More likely we will run slightly larger classes using two instructors and taking over the space currently used for Elements.

    • Naveen

      I’m a morning guy and based on my observation, 7:45 averages about 10 attendees; if that number is right, and we all know that the AM beginner classes fill up every day, it’s hard to argue with the change.

      The workouts are the same in all three classes – if you have to attend a class targeting people with less experience, then embrace the challenge of trying to get first place in every wod, take advantage of the extra instruction to analyze what beginners are doing wrong and think about your technique – you may be surprised to discover how much both of these will help you improve even if you’ve already mastered the boilerplate instructions for every lift.

      If you’ve really been doing crossfit a long time, use the opportunity to coach the people around you and be the guy they want to be. I’ve been doing crossfit for 5 years and have always been grateful for the guy in the class with more experience that wanted to help me catch up with him and “the pack”. We’re all paying customers and focus on what we receive rather than what we can contribute, but the latter improves our culture and raises the product value for all of us.

      Otherwise, set the alarm for a few minutes earlier :)

      • reisbaron

        Naveen nailed it. This is the root of my argument against the dividing of classes based on rank. It’s one thing to separate aspiring competitors because they have more advanced programming. But creating a hierarchy does not expose beginners to advanced Crossfitters, and does not inspire advanced members to join beginner classes, which frankly are the most important ones for them to attend. The result for the beginners is a set of well-managed classes that feature Crossfit movements. But it’s not always entirely Crossfit.

        Yes the advanced members have a choice of which classes to attend. But when they started in beginner classes that were unexposed to advanced members, how do they know that they should be joining beginners, or that this is a part of the experience, and often the most important part?

        • Avery W

          Thank you Naveen and Reis for your comments! This is really the essence of what being part of a CrossFit community means that I think sometime gets lost.

          Unless you have multiple years as an elite level gymnast or olympic weightlifter, chances are you can benefit from something that is presented in an “All Levels”, “Beginner” or “Black Box” WOD. Even then, I’d argue unless you are the other side of 10 years CF experience or a former coach, you can still get something from a class that seems “rudimentary”. I think remaining forever a student is a must if you want to be successful in CrossFit or really any sort of athletic pursuit.

          Those class names are pretty arbitrary given the breadth of experience (or lack thereof) our members have and the fact that the WODs are basically the same in every class. I’m also willing to bet every coach on our staff is more than happy to work with any member that does not feel challenged enough by the given WOD. The onus is on the member to ask questions if they are not sure how or when to scale up or down. I have a few advanced members that sometimes drop into my beginner’s class because it is a convenient time and I always try to make sure they are being challenged just as much as the beginning member – and it’s a pleasure having them in class because they can offer their experience and advice to newer members.

          Generally though, there’s no one so advanced in our gym (Competition team and coaches included) that can’t use more feedback and review on the fundamentals of their gymnastics, olympic lifts, and body positions. If you ask any Competition class member, we spend more time on fundamentals and nit picky seemingly beginner level details that people with a little experience (1-2 years) start to gloss over. Why? Because the secret to being great at CF includes being as efficient (perfect) with your movements as possible.

          • Jason W

            movement virtuosity FTW!

      • Jonathan P

        I would add that I’m an experienced member, and I’m constantly impressed by the “beginners,” many of whom are already athletic and motivated and, by the whiteboard, beat my own scores daily

  • Mike Williamson

    Are Sully’s Black Box WODs moving to 4th FL 26th street? Anytime Changes (evening)
    Thanks!

    • Hari Singh

      Sully’s classes are changing time or location.

  • Ben

    RIP 7:45 AM Black Box :(

  • Julia Spader

    I don’t think you understand how changing a class time by even 5 minutes can dramatically impact one’s daily routine. Or you do and take sadistic pleasure in forcing me to change my commute every month.

  • AndyK

    Not sure if it is possible, but is there anyway to have the cancellation for the early morning classes be sometime the evening before. If I am on the waitlist for a 5:40 or 6:00am class, it would be nice to know the night before if there were enough drops to get me in. If not, is there a way to have an email sent if we get in – so one could just check their mail vs. logging into the sight first thing in the morning?

    • Hari Singh

      We’re studying this very problem, for exactly the reasons you mention. Our hope is that by increasing the required time for canceling from 60 minutes to 90 minutes, that more of these cancelations will occur the night before.

  • Dee

    RIP…4th floor with Kev was for the elite..

    • Brian D

      To the competition class where they should thrive or dominate; to give Sean a run for his money.

  • V T

    While on the subject of scheduling- can we ask Zenplanner to make it a bit easier for members- by allowing cookies for example; keeping you logged in; allowing Chrome/Firefox to remember your password and most of all, have a mobile-friendly version. Trying to navigate waitlists and cancellations on a phone is a huge pain right now.

    • http://www.facebook.com/casandra.zuniga Casandra Dee Zuniga

      If you download our zen planner app, then add to it your log in info it will make reserving and un reserving your classes much easier =)

      • reisbaron

        …provided you have an iPhone…

  • Bsm

    How will there even be room for 24 people in a class. I attend the 6:30 pm class and the space is extremely limited already. In Addition there are always huge intro classes going on. At what point does a cap on membership happen? Los I said there is already not enough space and not enough equipment for the 19 people in the classes now.

    • Hari Singh

      To make space, we will reduce or move the Elements classes as needed. We have not heard of any equipment shortages. Are you referring to some piece(s) of equipment in particular?

      A membership cap and/or a significant reduction in the number of Elements classes is likely in the near future.

      • Bsm

        Just that sometimes we are short on lifting racks so there are 5 people to bar. And sometimes kettle bells are being used by other classes and there aren’t enough of a specific weight.

        Glad to hear there will be some other changes to accommodate more people. Thanks!

        • Hari Singh

          Because of the current time spacing on the WOD’s (HR:00, HR:15, HR:30), the WOD’s are as little as 15 minutes out of phase, making it a bit difficult to move racks between quadrants.

          With the new schedule (HR:00, HR:20, HR:40) we expect it to be easier for us to move equipment as needed. One of the benefits of a second instructor during peak WOD’s will be to help manage the flow of equipment to minimize the number of people sharing racks or rowers.

          We will buy more kettlebells in June.

  • Erik D

    What about Tues and Thurs morning endurance classes? Any chance of seeing those on the schedule in the future?

    • Hari Singh

      At this point, we plan to keep CFE to Mon, Wed, and Fri. That will likely expand once we open the Upper West Side location and have access to Central Park, a block away.

  • JH

    So for Wednesdays, the regular 6pm WOD will be at 28th St & the Endurance WOD (7pm, 8pm) will be at 26th St? For those of us who pull doubles on Wednesdays, can we still check in at 28th St for both classes? I don’t want to get a ‘no show’ for being a couple minutes late while walking between boxes…

    • Hari Singh

      There will now be three Wednesday evening CFE WOD’s at 28 Street, at 5:30 PM, 6:30 PM, and 7:30 PM. (The post needs to updated.)

      You can check for multiple classes from either location.

    • http://www.joshuanewman.com Joshua Newman

      Yes.

  • Jeff K

    Any word on where this UWS location would be?

    • Hari Singh

      Close to Lincoln Center.

    • http://www.joshuanewman.com Joshua Newman

      68th and Columbus.

  • Clare Hackney

    I really love CrossfitNYC and appreciate how hard it is to coordinate so many members and coaches. However, I wish there could be some way to get priority for showing up consistently for classes. Can’t those of us who show up reliably get pre-registered for the same class the following week? Doesn’t the Box want to encourage members to establish and stick with a consistent long-term attendance routine? Please find a way to reward us for showing up by securing a spot the following week.
    For instance, I have been attending the MWF 7am consistently for a few weeks, and always show up, but when I went online at noon today to sign up for next Wednesday it was already full! I signed up for the 6:30 instead, which consequently precludes me from joining the 7am waitlist. It feels like I either have to change my routine constantly or risk missing a day. It’s hard to commit to a routine when you can lose your spot so quickly. Now that the registration window is changing to five days ahead, it will be even harder to keep up with reservations because I will need one weekly routine for making reservations on a different set of days than attending classes- I will need to login Wednesday for Monday, Friday for Wednesday and Sunday for Friday. Please find a way to help support the routine of members who show up and don’t abuse the reservation system!

    • http://www.joshuanewman.com Joshua Newman

      This is a great idea. We’ll kick this around and see what we can come up with.

      • Naveen

        Here’s an idea – not sure if it would work with your software. Each member can choose one daily weekday class as their preferred class. Then they get an extra booking window for signing up for their preferred classes (10 days vs 7 or something like that).

    • Hari Singh

      This is a very compelling argument.

      I can certainly see the logic in giving priority to members based on seniority and attendance history. I am not sure what the possibilities are with the current software, but we will definitely look into this.

    • Andrew R

      Similar to this, can you talk to ZenPlanner about their notifications when getting off a waitlist? I used to get emails, but those have stopped (with no reply from Zen when I emailed them about it). I have a number of “No Shows” because I either didn’t know I’d gotten off the wait list or couldn’t cancel because I found out too late to get to the box by class time.

      • Hari Singh

        It would be helpful if you could provide the Front Desk with an example, so they can figure out what happened.

  • Jacob

    Here’s a thought, get rid of the “All Levels WOD” which is really just another beginners WOD. At what point does one need to take off the training wheels? Once again, Black Boxers are getting shafted. We’ve worked hard to get where we are, we took on the challenge. Now we watch our classes get cut and our best/favorite instructors taken away.

    • AndyK

      Having been to Black Box WODs, All Levels WODs, and Beginner WODs, I can see that I have seen very little difference. There may be slightly more instruction in the Beginner/All Level WODs, but I also find that depends on instructor, class dynamic, and that days WOD.
      No one likes having their daily ritual change, especially when it means getting up that much earlier in the morning. That being said, the team at CFNYC offers more options than anywhere else. As others have said, there are plenty of people to push you in the All Levels WODs.

    • Hari Singh

      We are working on a more general response to your concerns. The problem is perhaps more about the stability that senior members have rightfully earned. At some level, there is something wrong about having members who have been with us for a year or more finding that the space in their regular WOD is going to someone who graduated Elements a week ago.

      We are working at a system for giving registration priority based on seniority. If we can make this work, those of you who have put in the time will have better access to your best/favorite instructors.

      We get it, and we’re working on it.

  • Moritz

    argh, there goes my evening 26th street 4th floor happy place

  • ben

    Hari,

    Just to throw my hat in the ring, I have emailed a couple of the coaches about this issue and they have relayed to me that it is an issue of equipment My question has to do with adding bench-pressing into the WODs. There really is no replacement for resistance training with bench pressing and most other CF boxes utilize bench pressing in their WODs. Is there any way to get some benches in so we don’t completely miss out on such a big movement?

    • Hari Singh

      This question can be better addressed on a daily WOD post. Very few people will see the response here on this scheduling post. Please ask this again on a fresh post.

  • http://twitter.com/jenny248 jenny248

    It is understandable that changes have to happen, it’s just tough when the changes impact your whole routine. 10 minutes actually makes a big difference.

  • Laconic Man

    Did I stumble into a self entitled assholes convention?

  • JP

    Very bummed to hear about the 6:50am class. The 7:00am Beginner class for next Friday (which one could only of signed up for in the last few hours) is already full… I can manage the 6:50am class which is nice when 7 is full but 6:40am is unfortunately just too early.